Bigmouthfrikazee and the Defensemaster Breeze Over Some Big Topics on Turkey Day
[17:26] bigmouthfrikazee: read stories.....corrected english.....brb
[17:26] Defensemaster1: Or are you contemplating your answer?
[17:35] bigmouthfrikazee: still there?
[17:35] Defensemaster1: Yes, I am one patient motherfucker.
[17:36] Defensemaster1: :-)
[17:36] bigmouthfrikazee: phone.....cathy's sister....cathy in shower.....had to carry conversation till she was out
[17:36] bigmouthfrikazee: that is the mf face
[17:36] Defensemaster1: I see. You were a transitional talker.
[17:36] bigmouthfrikazee: or the mf smiley
[17:36] bigmouthfrikazee: I'm tryin to read your blog now.
[17:36] Defensemaster1: Yes, that is the mf smiley. I believe in smiling when being a motherfucker. It is the American way!
[17:36] Defensemaster1: Don't worry about it...it will be there later!
[17:37] Defensemaster1: It is the my explanation of how Thanksgiving sort of fell off my calendar.
[17:37] bigmouthfrikazee: you sound like a depressed german immigrant plotting the adoption of wester holidays
[17:37] bigmouthfrikazee: do you have anything similar there?
[17:37] bigmouthfrikazee: not on thesame day of course4
[17:38] bigmouthfrikazee: sometihhng like octoberfest
[17:38] bigmouthfrikazee: perhaps
[17:38] Defensemaster1: Not really. I was trying to make the point that November has other meanings here, more directly tied to the cycle of birth and death, the solar cycle as well.
[17:39] Defensemaster1: We have Ertedankfest, or Thanksgiving for the harvest, on the first Sunday in October, which also is the last day of Oktoberfest.
[17:39] bigmouthfrikazee: the solar calendar is acknowledged there?
[17:39] Defensemaster1: Isn't it everywhere?
[17:39] Defensemaster1: A year is the amount of time it takes for the earth to revolve around the sun.
[17:40] Defensemaster1: My point is that November is the month of death in a seasonal sense, and the German holidays have acknowledged that. To me, it makes more sense to reflect upon death in November than in May, as is the case with the American Memorial Day festivities.
[17:41] bigmouthfrikazee: You know, I was never really even aware it was still recognized until I worked with Salim.....I think he was Iranian....anyway he was a very insightful man
[17:41] bigmouthfrikazee: moslem
[17:41] bigmouthfrikazee: told me about world.....he was a captain of a ship
[17:41] Defensemaster1: Yes, I can believe that. They are not stupid, despite what standard American prejudices may say.
[17:42] bigmouthfrikazee: he told me what nationality he felt was the worse
[17:42] bigmouthfrikazee: JAPANEESE
[17:43] bigmouthfrikazee: said they wer the most arrogant people on earth
[17:43] Defensemaster1: I like the Japanese culture. It is a culture of respect and discipline.
[17:43] Defensemaster1: Of course, they are traditionally very racist, but they have figured out that that is necessary when you are a small, compact island nation.
[17:44] bigmouthfrikazee: as could he......which was what he said
[17:44] bigmouthfrikazee: anyway, it was eye opening
[17:44] Defensemaster1: Race is always a touchy subject for Americans.
[17:44] bigmouthfrikazee: well.....the traditional american is no more
[17:45] bigmouthfrikazee: we talked about that
[17:45] Defensemaster1: No one wants to be labeled a racist, so everyone develops this outward personality where they accept the other races, while inwardly they still put their own above the others, which cannot be avoided. It is instinctual.
[17:45] bigmouthfrikazee: numbers and such
[17:45] bigmouthfrikazee: well...it's the PC equation
[17:46] bigmouthfrikazee: you're okay, Im okay
[17:46] Defensemaster1: Actually, I consider racism a survival instinct.
[17:46] bigmouthfrikazee: but really you're not
[17:46] bigmouthfrikazee: how so
[17:46] bigmouthfrikazee: what isn't like us we try to dismis?
[17:48] Defensemaster1: It is an instinctual reaction against those who do no belong to the similar group. Like attracts like. It is biological. And, what I never really have understood, is why do we expect calculated breeding with animals, but with humans, the most advanced animal of them all, we let "love" run its course, or at least we do since the 1960's. Humans should care about their own breeding habits more so than they care about those of their horses and dogs.
[17:48] Defensemaster1: Of course, everyone would label me a racist.
[17:49] bigmouthfrikazee: I experience that sensation too.
[17:49] Defensemaster1: But I guess I am against stigmatizing it. Without the idea, we wouldn't be where we are today.
[17:49] bigmouthfrikazee: the key is tolerance
[17:49] bigmouthfrikazee: that and a 12 step program
[17:49] Defensemaster1: Yes.
[17:50] Defensemaster1: You can certainly tolerate and even respect other races, but why in heaven's name would you want to throw thousands of years of breeding out the window to create these mongrel children who are accepted by neither culture?
[17:50] bigmouthfrikazee: I mean, you can't not notice things....and being able to control your adgenda or belong to them.....it speaks volumes for the sophistocation of your peoples
[17:50] Defensemaster1: It is done in the name of so-called love, and in my opinion, it is short-sighted and wrong.
[17:51] bigmouthfrikazee: there is always a big picture going on
[17:51] Defensemaster1: The key thinkers and leaders of the times need to think not in terms of months, years, or even centuries. True visionaries think in terms of millenia.
[17:52] bigmouthfrikazee: well....too often we accredit true visonaries in this culture to those who are in the entertainment arena rather than the social sciences
[17:53] bigmouthfrikazee: it reminds me of a test question I had yesterday
[17:54] bigmouthfrikazee: just that they used celebrity as a superior status type person
[17:54] Defensemaster1: Yes, since when did entertainment personalities become so damn important? You didn't see that with people like Sarah Bernhardt or Charlie Chaplin. I guess the media gives them too much influence, a soapbox from which to unduly influence people, especially the young and impressionable.
[17:54] bigmouthfrikazee: wehn in reality....celebrities are just people
[17:54] Defensemaster1: Yes, and usually mediocre thinkers at that.
[17:54] bigmouthfrikazee: at best
[17:55] bigmouthfrikazee: hug a tree
[17:55] bigmouthfrikazee: be like me
[17:55] bigmouthfrikazee: like me
[17:55] bigmouthfrikazee: love me
[17:55] bigmouthfrikazee: I care about you
[17:55] bigmouthfrikazee: those kinds of thoughts....merely set in place to promote their own adgenda of ideology
[17:56] bigmouthfrikazee: and not that they are bad...because they aren't...but perhaps a little inappropriate
[17:56] Defensemaster1: There is a two-fold problem in my opinion. Americans, as much as they tend to think God is on their side, lack a spiritual center. They take a very simplistic view of religion, a kind of Sunday School approach to it. God is not interpreted in terms of the symbolism, but is taken to be literal, historical, a big old man in the sky.
[17:56] bigmouthfrikazee: good point
[17:57] Defensemaster1: The other side of the problem, is that, combined with this simplistic view of religion, you have a devil-may-care, who gives a damn as long as I am making money attitude. The so-called "Christianity" stops at the wallet.
[17:57] bigmouthfrikazee: church is a status symbol....at least the control in it
[17:58] bigmouthfrikazee: well, talking to Cathy's sister, who is in AA....and I consider myself a member of aa, thought I don't drink anymore....I appreciate the structure
[17:58] bigmouthfrikazee: It's about moral living
[17:59] bigmouthfrikazee: unfortuanately, moral living is subjective
[17:59] bigmouthfrikazee: or fortunately
[17:59] bigmouthfrikazee: otherwise who among us could live with ourselves
[17:59] Defensemaster1: I believe that each culture and religion likely has a valid view of what they consider to be God. But, as it is a human construct, it can never be fully explained. The mystery of what is God, Allah, Shiva, Buddha, Jesus, Wotan, Zeus, Wakan Tanka remains a mystery to all. The interpretation by man never can fully explain it. But that does not make the religions invalid. That is the cultural response to attempt to explain the unknown, the great mystery.
[17:59] bigmouthfrikazee: and AA isn't christian
[18:00] Defensemaster1: What I like about the Eastern religions is they view enlightenment, or realization of the Great Mystery, i.e. God, as a psychological, inward process.
[18:00] bigmouthfrikazee: I feel like I've just heard an explosion of the great prophets that caame out of a star trek movie!
[18:00] Defensemaster1: Huh?
[17:26] Defensemaster1: Or are you contemplating your answer?
[17:35] bigmouthfrikazee: still there?
[17:35] Defensemaster1: Yes, I am one patient motherfucker.
[17:36] Defensemaster1: :-)
[17:36] bigmouthfrikazee: phone.....cathy's sister....cathy in shower.....had to carry conversation till she was out
[17:36] bigmouthfrikazee: that is the mf face
[17:36] Defensemaster1: I see. You were a transitional talker.
[17:36] bigmouthfrikazee: or the mf smiley
[17:36] bigmouthfrikazee: I'm tryin to read your blog now.
[17:36] Defensemaster1: Yes, that is the mf smiley. I believe in smiling when being a motherfucker. It is the American way!
[17:36] Defensemaster1: Don't worry about it...it will be there later!
[17:37] Defensemaster1: It is the my explanation of how Thanksgiving sort of fell off my calendar.
[17:37] bigmouthfrikazee: you sound like a depressed german immigrant plotting the adoption of wester holidays
[17:37] bigmouthfrikazee: do you have anything similar there?
[17:37] bigmouthfrikazee: not on thesame day of course4
[17:38] bigmouthfrikazee: sometihhng like octoberfest
[17:38] bigmouthfrikazee: perhaps
[17:38] Defensemaster1: Not really. I was trying to make the point that November has other meanings here, more directly tied to the cycle of birth and death, the solar cycle as well.
[17:39] Defensemaster1: We have Ertedankfest, or Thanksgiving for the harvest, on the first Sunday in October, which also is the last day of Oktoberfest.
[17:39] bigmouthfrikazee: the solar calendar is acknowledged there?
[17:39] Defensemaster1: Isn't it everywhere?
[17:39] Defensemaster1: A year is the amount of time it takes for the earth to revolve around the sun.
[17:40] Defensemaster1: My point is that November is the month of death in a seasonal sense, and the German holidays have acknowledged that. To me, it makes more sense to reflect upon death in November than in May, as is the case with the American Memorial Day festivities.
[17:41] bigmouthfrikazee: You know, I was never really even aware it was still recognized until I worked with Salim.....I think he was Iranian....anyway he was a very insightful man
[17:41] bigmouthfrikazee: moslem
[17:41] bigmouthfrikazee: told me about world.....he was a captain of a ship
[17:41] Defensemaster1: Yes, I can believe that. They are not stupid, despite what standard American prejudices may say.
[17:42] bigmouthfrikazee: he told me what nationality he felt was the worse
[17:42] bigmouthfrikazee: JAPANEESE
[17:43] bigmouthfrikazee: said they wer the most arrogant people on earth
[17:43] Defensemaster1: I like the Japanese culture. It is a culture of respect and discipline.
[17:43] Defensemaster1: Of course, they are traditionally very racist, but they have figured out that that is necessary when you are a small, compact island nation.
[17:44] bigmouthfrikazee: as could he......which was what he said
[17:44] bigmouthfrikazee: anyway, it was eye opening
[17:44] Defensemaster1: Race is always a touchy subject for Americans.
[17:44] bigmouthfrikazee: well.....the traditional american is no more
[17:45] bigmouthfrikazee: we talked about that
[17:45] Defensemaster1: No one wants to be labeled a racist, so everyone develops this outward personality where they accept the other races, while inwardly they still put their own above the others, which cannot be avoided. It is instinctual.
[17:45] bigmouthfrikazee: numbers and such
[17:45] bigmouthfrikazee: well...it's the PC equation
[17:46] bigmouthfrikazee: you're okay, Im okay
[17:46] Defensemaster1: Actually, I consider racism a survival instinct.
[17:46] bigmouthfrikazee: but really you're not
[17:46] bigmouthfrikazee: how so
[17:46] bigmouthfrikazee: what isn't like us we try to dismis?
[17:48] Defensemaster1: It is an instinctual reaction against those who do no belong to the similar group. Like attracts like. It is biological. And, what I never really have understood, is why do we expect calculated breeding with animals, but with humans, the most advanced animal of them all, we let "love" run its course, or at least we do since the 1960's. Humans should care about their own breeding habits more so than they care about those of their horses and dogs.
[17:48] Defensemaster1: Of course, everyone would label me a racist.
[17:49] bigmouthfrikazee: I experience that sensation too.
[17:49] Defensemaster1: But I guess I am against stigmatizing it. Without the idea, we wouldn't be where we are today.
[17:49] bigmouthfrikazee: the key is tolerance
[17:49] bigmouthfrikazee: that and a 12 step program
[17:49] Defensemaster1: Yes.
[17:50] Defensemaster1: You can certainly tolerate and even respect other races, but why in heaven's name would you want to throw thousands of years of breeding out the window to create these mongrel children who are accepted by neither culture?
[17:50] bigmouthfrikazee: I mean, you can't not notice things....and being able to control your adgenda or belong to them.....it speaks volumes for the sophistocation of your peoples
[17:50] Defensemaster1: It is done in the name of so-called love, and in my opinion, it is short-sighted and wrong.
[17:51] bigmouthfrikazee: there is always a big picture going on
[17:51] Defensemaster1: The key thinkers and leaders of the times need to think not in terms of months, years, or even centuries. True visionaries think in terms of millenia.
[17:52] bigmouthfrikazee: well....too often we accredit true visonaries in this culture to those who are in the entertainment arena rather than the social sciences
[17:53] bigmouthfrikazee: it reminds me of a test question I had yesterday
[17:54] bigmouthfrikazee: just that they used celebrity as a superior status type person
[17:54] Defensemaster1: Yes, since when did entertainment personalities become so damn important? You didn't see that with people like Sarah Bernhardt or Charlie Chaplin. I guess the media gives them too much influence, a soapbox from which to unduly influence people, especially the young and impressionable.
[17:54] bigmouthfrikazee: wehn in reality....celebrities are just people
[17:54] Defensemaster1: Yes, and usually mediocre thinkers at that.
[17:54] bigmouthfrikazee: at best
[17:55] bigmouthfrikazee: hug a tree
[17:55] bigmouthfrikazee: be like me
[17:55] bigmouthfrikazee: like me
[17:55] bigmouthfrikazee: love me
[17:55] bigmouthfrikazee: I care about you
[17:55] bigmouthfrikazee: those kinds of thoughts....merely set in place to promote their own adgenda of ideology
[17:56] bigmouthfrikazee: and not that they are bad...because they aren't...but perhaps a little inappropriate
[17:56] Defensemaster1: There is a two-fold problem in my opinion. Americans, as much as they tend to think God is on their side, lack a spiritual center. They take a very simplistic view of religion, a kind of Sunday School approach to it. God is not interpreted in terms of the symbolism, but is taken to be literal, historical, a big old man in the sky.
[17:56] bigmouthfrikazee: good point
[17:57] Defensemaster1: The other side of the problem, is that, combined with this simplistic view of religion, you have a devil-may-care, who gives a damn as long as I am making money attitude. The so-called "Christianity" stops at the wallet.
[17:57] bigmouthfrikazee: church is a status symbol....at least the control in it
[17:58] bigmouthfrikazee: well, talking to Cathy's sister, who is in AA....and I consider myself a member of aa, thought I don't drink anymore....I appreciate the structure
[17:58] bigmouthfrikazee: It's about moral living
[17:59] bigmouthfrikazee: unfortuanately, moral living is subjective
[17:59] bigmouthfrikazee: or fortunately
[17:59] bigmouthfrikazee: otherwise who among us could live with ourselves
[17:59] Defensemaster1: I believe that each culture and religion likely has a valid view of what they consider to be God. But, as it is a human construct, it can never be fully explained. The mystery of what is God, Allah, Shiva, Buddha, Jesus, Wotan, Zeus, Wakan Tanka remains a mystery to all. The interpretation by man never can fully explain it. But that does not make the religions invalid. That is the cultural response to attempt to explain the unknown, the great mystery.
[17:59] bigmouthfrikazee: and AA isn't christian
[18:00] Defensemaster1: What I like about the Eastern religions is they view enlightenment, or realization of the Great Mystery, i.e. God, as a psychological, inward process.
[18:00] bigmouthfrikazee: I feel like I've just heard an explosion of the great prophets that caame out of a star trek movie!
[18:00] Defensemaster1: Huh?
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